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Postby splicer » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:36 am

I think you're starting to realize how to take crits. I know it took me some time before I stopped attacking the people who were only trying to help me out, as brutal as the truth may be, it's still the truth. I'd like to see some more of your work, I really like the rendering.
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Postby Scott Cohn » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:51 am

ok i was FUCKING wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you people are not seeing Deans comment from my eyes. i dont know him, hes not my friend, and to come off like that making my mistake humorous was not a wise choice.


warren, i'm a little late getting to this post seeing as how i just saw it, but let me start by saying you know i love your work. i've even offered you work in the past. but that's not what dean was doing at all. he was showing you a minor mistake you made, in a sugar coated cute way. like a hand slapping the forehead mistake. personally, i thought it was a clever way to do it. and it was funny. but not at your expense funny. the hat and suitcase drove the point home better than a paragraph of exposition.

yeah, it sucks to hear crits sometimes, but we don't individually have all the answers. and if people take time out of their busy schedules not to tell you you suck and laugh, but to detail out how to make you a better artist, breathe in, let it settle, and take what they say and apply it how you see fit. i'll give you an example. i drew this cover. took me 2 days to draw it.

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i showed my mentor for another reason other than what i got, but i should have expected it. boom. basically told me i should start over because everything was competing for attention. GODDAMN did it suck to hear. but i had to make a choice. learn to do it right and actually learn what it was he was talking about so i can apply it from here on in, or snub him after he spent the time to detail the problems and just go back to my way of doing things. i don't know better than him in regards to covers, and just composition in general. he's been in the industry for over 20 years drawing comics and storyboards for cartoons. i've only been in for 10 and i haven't drawn half of what he has. at some point, you have to say to yourself, i don't know everything. i need someone else to teach me. so i'm redrawing the cover.

i'm not saying that was your attitude when you posted. but you did post to a public forum where industry people are frequenting, so it's really not a bad attitude to have. this is a FREE online school in a way. yeah, i like to hear compliments on my work, but when (we'll use Snake for an example) goes out of his way to not only tell me on the forum, but e-mail me examples of how to fix things, that's not only a compliment, but a show of respect for a fellow artist as well. the worst thing you could possibly get, is no response at all.
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Postby odysseyroc » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:54 am

This is where I think that art school is very important. A few wall-crits will either toughen you up or make you realize that this isn't for you. When I was going to school for graphic design I remember how we worked our ass of for a week to get projects done and have the teacher tell people things like "This looks like it was done by a second grader who doesn't like art class". That was pretty harsh, but it was true, the people that did the better work still got critqued, but it was more contstructive . In the end though all the people who really listened did better work on each project. I know you worked hard on this piece, but like others have said all of the crits you got here are valid and will only help you in the long run.

If you are planning to make money doing art be prepared to here clients be brutally honest with you. If somebody is paying you they will have no problem telling you the things they don't like about your work and they will pull no punches. You should even be prepared to work your ass off on something like this and have them tell you they don't like it at all and to start over, kind of like Explosive-D's example.

Oh yeah, that drawing you posted totaly rocks!
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Postby 5thshuriken » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:14 pm

cool guys. i understand it all now. my only problem was, was that id never gotten a crit in that manner before. at first i didnt realise that the mistakes pointed out to me were only minor... i just need to get used to the way things work around here again and ill be just fine. this topic was the best way to get welcomed back here and start to feel comfy again, even though it did start off not all that great.

btw, wow! great penciling!!! love your style!

im going to get working on cg artwork within the next month or two again, i just need to finish this super-realistic portrait i was doing a few months back that i didnt complete...once again, im killing myself with this artwork...by drawing each individual hair strand accurately to the reference. but when i get to the cg artwork, i want you guys to coach me with the pencils, since thats were my problem lies, not with my rendering exactly.

j_whyte: um...i only got 1 WIP pic from it, i can also show you the pencils. with the original pencils there are tons of mistakes which i corrected in photoshop. the pencils ive included are unedited and still have its many mistakes (about 12main mistakes were corrected). yeah, 30% into the colouring i decided to flip the image horizontally to what it is now (her facial expression came across better).

i took the pencils alot further from what they were in the beginning. i used the smudge, erazor and dodge(midtones) tool on them. some areas of the pencils are totally photoshop created from scratch. i use plenty layers. the only time i ever use the selection tool is when i select and cut whats not needed on that layer, or when i select, copy and paste something, things like that. every piece of her outfit was done on a separate layer.

SeanE: um...haha! im actually not a member there... i tried earlier today to register, but strange errors happened and each time an error occured with a username, the next time i tried, it wouldnt let me use that username... so i used up all the usernames i use, just to have the error repeat itself everytime. now i cant use any of my names. right now im too lazy to contact an administrator.

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Postby SNAKEBITE » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:30 pm

growing pains suck, but growing is awsome. and dude, you're such a power house you can be unstopable as you grow. the level you are at already leaves older gems in need of a lil polishing.

we're all keeping an eye on you to see where you go, no doubt.
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Postby wade1972 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:54 am

I haven't been here in ages, but I decided to come here today and I see this...wow! That is wicked work...I absolutely love the work you did on her skin, and the shadows and lights on it. I'm jealous as hell.

I am just starting to get into digital work, and I've got a hell of a long ways to go until I get to your level. :cry:

Give yourself a pat on the back!
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Postby Eric Lofgren » Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:20 pm

There's no slighting the coloring, that's for sure. Wicked job on that. But if you are fishing for crits I will echo the anatomy issues. She just seems a tad too flat. and the hands could use some tightening up. But that's for the next one :)

Beautiful work all the same.

Edit- I didn't realize just how long this thread was, otherwise I would have tailored it differently. So I just sound like a parrot sqwaking back what everyone else has said. Never mind me. Just keep on keepin' on! :)
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Postby pathsone » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:22 pm

A couple points:

When your taking art to this highly rendered level of photo realistic is when small errors actually stand out more. If this was a quickly painted background or mid ground character in a story panel, these small errors would probably go unnoticed. Since this is so tediously painted, suddenly the small imperfections just scream at you. Thats something to be very weary of. I suggest you read my next point.

Post the line art here first. Get ripped on about the short arm, gimp hand, and misplaced nipple, long before you spend two months painting it. Then when your sure the foundation is totally solid, thats when you build the palace. Peace.
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Postby Pug » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:48 am

Wow, you have many great skills. But need to temper with accepting good critics. You are young, and that is positive for you. You only get better. Frightening to think! Good works!
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