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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby John Rauch » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:42 pm

Ha!
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby boysoltero » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:11 am

Bookmarked!

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Special thanks to Sweeney for coming up with the video!
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Andrew Cramer » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:59 am

Ohh this'll come in handy!! I have had this happen to me before as I work in CMYK all the time. Does everyone else work in RGB??? :shock:
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Nathan » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:31 pm

oICEMANo wrote:Ohh this'll come in handy!! I have had this happen to me before as I work in CMYK all the time. Does everyone else work in RGB??? :shock:


I usually work in CMYK, but have done a couple of books in RGB lately, just to see the difference and because I was dissatisfied with the way the books I had colored in CMYK were printing for Marvel (typically light and desaturated). I'm currently coloring the Iliad in RGB and converting to CMYK, but I've had the opposite problem -- the book has printed dark and over-saturated. Ever since issue one came out and I saw this, I've been dropping the overall ink limit and black ink limit bit by bit. Once I've converted my layered file to CMYK, I load my line art layer (set to darken) as a selection and fill with 100% K , then I contract my selection by 2 pixels, create a new layer (set to normal) just under/over my line art layer and fill with a trap color 60C, 40M, 40K, and 100K.
Anyway, yeah for glows in CMYK, I basically do as Dave says, except instead of coloring the trap the color of the glow, I just erase the trap layer where it's showing through. It is anal retentive, though, but it looks fine as long as your colors run all the way under the black areas. For example, in one panel of Star-lord, I was putting a glow on Bug's red eyes, which would have looked like shit if I hadn't gotten rid of the underlying trap color, but once I did, I noticed that the flats didn't extend all the way under the black of the eye, so I had to go back and make sure it did. Does that make sense. Ah, fuck it. I've got nothing else going on. Let me go waste half an hour.

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and I'm back with an instructive jpg. Here!
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Aw, fuck. I totally goofed saving the jpg and it's smaller than I wanted and looks like shit, plus I didn't save the PSD file it came from. I blame the head full of cold medicine I'm on right now. Ah, well, hopefully you get the idea.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Sweeney » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:39 pm

I've found that after you convert to CMYK, glows on a screen layer just aren't quite as bright and saturated as they were in RGB. When I have more time, I'll post a quickie how-to that shows how to keep the glows looking as good in CMYK as they did in RGB.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Nathan » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:48 pm

I wasn't gonna do that again, but here's at least a better before/after image.

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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Andrew Cramer » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:34 am

Do you have to, have to, have to, have to, have to use a trap layer?? Are there instances when you don't need to? I never use one and everything prints just fine.
My layers are as follows: flats (which is a duplicate of the lines layer), render (duplicate of flats layer), lines (set to multiply)

Sweeney: I can't seem to DL more than 80K of those QT vids you linked up here. :(
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby John Rauch » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:17 am

One thing I used to do sometimes when working in CMYK was to do my glows in a screen layer, then duplicate that layer and set it to "color". Sometimes it would work well enough, sometimes, I still had to go back in and spray color into my lines.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Glenn Hauman » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:57 pm

Yes, it can be done. See http://www.comicmix.com/comic/comicmix/jon-sable-freelance-ashes-of-eden/14/reader/, pages 71-73.

It's a layers thing. My layer setup is pencil art on the bottom, colors layer on multiply, and then a screen layer on top for glows. When you convert to RGB, flatten the layers. Seems to work fine for me.

If you want, I'll send you the original files, so you can see what I'm doing.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby John Rauch » Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:16 pm

Glenn Hauman wrote:Yes, it can be done. See http://www.comicmix.com/comic/comicmix/jon-sable-freelance-ashes-of-eden/14/reader/, pages 71-73.

It's a layers thing. My layer setup is pencil art on the bottom, colors layer on multiply, and then a screen layer on top for glows. When you convert to RGB, flatten the layers. Seems to work fine for me.

If you want, I'll send you the original files, so you can see what I'm doing.


I think you missed the point.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Glenn Hauman » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:10 pm

In re-reading, I think I did too.

That said, a screen layer to create a glow seems to still work fine for me. If you're having trapping troubles, you can use the screen layer as a selection to knock out the trap.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Jason Lewis » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:50 am

I know this is an old, old topic but did anyone save these tutorials from Sweeny. I recently ran into this problem.
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Re: Glows in CMYK not working right

Postby Eagle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:19 am

Could be they're in here: http://dante-picasso.deviantart.com/art ... -209346873

Personally, my advice: Work in RGB with Proof Colors and Gamut Warning turned on. When you're finished the image, flatten and convert to CMYK, save as a separate file. Be sure "Use Dither" is OFF in Color Settings->More Options.
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