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A question about 'K'

Postby Eddy-Swan » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:57 pm

Hey Guys,

I'm pretty new to being published and have had some trouble with my pages turning out muddy and well... wrong, so I've consulted the faq of this section and have figured out the cause of most of my printing problems, too much black being chief. I've also discovered several handy sugguestions to fixing the problems, including monitor calibration and proper color profiles and gamut warnings. but the only cure for too much black in the colors that I can think of (besides vigilance and knowledge) is to have a swatchlist of print friendly colors.

so I decided to mix a swatch set of colors that used only CMY, a nice little collection of base colors I can use to create the basics. but when I tried them out in RGB (adobe1988) because I much prefer working in RGB, the color I painted when resampled with my color dropper now has K in them acording to my Cmyk color picker and then when I converted to CMYK the color still has black in it? is that just the nature of working in RGB to deal with having to use black ink? is it something that can be ignored? or is it something that needs to be compensated for?

its all a bit confusing for me atm any help would be most appreciated.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Alex Sollazzo » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:36 am

May be easier if you post some of the images that turned out bad.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Eddy-Swan » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:41 am

here are some pages that came out slightly dark and muddy.

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and here Is what I mean as far as selecting colors

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hope that the images help describe what I mean.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Alex Sollazzo » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:56 am

The pages look fine to me (the background walls and african american skin probably have K in them from the looks of it but it shouldnt matter), are you using the correct image color profile for whatever publisher you're working with ? I think its probably a issue between what youre seeing and what the printer is seeing rather than anything else.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Eddy-Swan » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:12 am

at that point I was coloring in default rgb (sRGB-etc-2.1) and converting to cmyk using the image>mode> dropdown. which I have discovered was an error on my part. I've since started using Rgb 1998 and converted using the convert profile option to change to CMYK (U.S CMYK swop v2 )as I discovered is best but I haven't seen them in print yet to know if thats the answer to all the problems.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby BennyFuentes » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Sometimes printers are to blame for that, a few years ago I colored a graphic novel for Stonearch Books, there were some dark scenes in it and the printed version came out really REALLY dark, and details got lost because of that, a few months ago I found the latin american version printed in Colombia and the printed colors matched almost 95% the ones on my screen, and the details in the dark scenes where noticeable.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Aconic » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:54 am

If I understand your problem right, I believe it has to do with the ink limits set up in Photoshop. Whatever those settings are, they are determining how the colors convert to CMYK. So if you eyedrop after converting, it will take on the added K.

I am pretty sure there was a tutorial by Sweeney, that covered this very subject in much better detail than I could, but I am not sure where to find that anymore.

Perhaps someone here does.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Stephanie Jones » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:54 am

There's a couple things to note here that might help out.

One is that yeah, it might be an ink limits issue. Sweeney had a big tutorial about this at one point, but basically if you don't set the appropriate ink limit, the eyedropper will always take the convenient route to get to the color you're creating, and that route adds K. You can set your ink limits to make it stop doing that as often, I think it was 240 bil /40 til?

Someone had a whole big .pdf of sweeney's old tuts, but I'm not sure where it went. I could probably ask him on twitter, not sure if he'd respond though. Asking anyone for advice on twitter is kind of a mixed bag these days. >.>

If that's not the issue, then the issue you're having with the printer might be the *paper* they're using. Ink hits the paper and spreads, as you're probably aware. I'm NOT the expert but I'm pretty sure I'd read around here before that lower quality paper (like newsprint), the ink gets muddier on, it absorbs and expands more quickly and the colors on things tend to get muddier because of it.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Stephanie Jones » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:59 pm

Hah I just realised you posted this months ago.

Anyway, necroing this again to add the numbers I got from Mark Sweeney today:

270 TIL / 30 BIL for glossy. (Total Ink Limit, Black Ink Limit) for converting RGB to CMYK. Newsprint 240 TIL, 20 BIL.
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Re: A question about 'K'

Postby Eddy-Swan » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:00 am

thank you for resurrecting the post! I still have had some issues with the problem, so I'm hoping your advice will sort it out any remaining dirtyness in print.

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