does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

[Zombie Dave McCaig]

back in 1998 or 1999 on the old Sijun forums is where I started using Magpie.

Who else here besides you, me, and Iron Odin are old Sijun users? (I was red Leader)

[Mecha]

Is Sijun a bit like this forum?

[Zombie Dave McCaig]

Sijun was a popular digital art forum that fell apart because it lacked moderators, and a bunch of rotten apples endedup ruining a great community.

Eatpoo started up after that with many of the same members, and now most of the eatpoo gang has moved on as well.


I really hope that I manage a good mix of booting real troublemakers, while keeping borderline guys around to keep things interesting. It's kind of tough to balance.

[Reber]

back in 1998 or 1999 on the old Sijun forums is where I started using Magpie.

Who else here besides you, me, and Iron Odin are old Sijun users? (I was red Leader)

Umm.. me. (Chapel) It's where I started coloring.

There was some elitist forum that started before eatpoo, and it was invite only. I remember the more prominent members from sijun migrated to it first. I want to think that that board became conceptart.org. I never went to eatpoo. I still keep in touch with a few of the old members from sijun. Francis Tsai is now doing covers at marvel. Dan Paladin (Sinj) is on my xbox friend's list. It's pretty funny the roads people have traveled since that forum.

[Zombie Dave McCaig]

Right. (Duh) also Sunder, who's never here. Though I feel him in my heart.

[Magpie]

back in 1998 or 1999 on the old Sijun forums is where I started using Magpie.

Who else here besides you, me, and Iron Odin are old Sijun users? (I was red Leader)

Umm.. me. (Chapel) It's where I started coloring.

There was some elitist forum that started before eatpoo, and it was invite only. I remember the more prominent members from sijun migrated to it first. I want to think that that board became conceptart.org. I never went to eatpoo. I still keep in touch with a few of the old members from sijun. Francis Tsai is now doing covers at marvel. Dan Paladin (Sinj) is on my xbox friend's list. It's pretty funny the roads people have traveled since that forum.

Yes, I remember being in that forum and eatpoo like 2 or 3 times. I just got that elitist, creepy feeling from them. I just don't like the whole "We're better than everyone else" vibe...plus I'm marginal anyways...I like it in the ghetto, throwing rocks at the police helicopters...lol.

I still see/talk to Dan Paladin, Ron Lemen, Francis, Mike Brown, Phil Saunders and a few others from those days...but I had the luck of working with all those cats.Those boards were full of some amazing artists, too bad the 14 year old kids found out about them.

-JR

[MBirkhofer]

Dave you were Red leader?! I totally did not remember that. I think I knew that at the time, but had forgotten.

Sijun is still alive. Doing better then Eatpoo even it seems.
I don't really hang out in forums so much though. Too busy to do so.
http://forums.sijun.com/

A number of boards sprung up as Sijun got bloated. Manley started Conceptart.org of course.

I've been living in a cave, and wasn't sure what Tsai was up to. Hard to miss, Sinj's Alien Hominid or Castle crashers though.

[MBirkhofer]

Lol. Yeah, I come here to cause trouble and hide behind my avatar.


Magpie just sounds cooler than James Rochelle. People may think I'm some cool underground artist, maybe even foreign! Maybe I look like a dreamy "Twilight" actor, and I brood a lot in a sexy way. I do own at least one leather jacket.

Honestly I think that artists should just stop supporting these small press guys period(if you ever hear about payment issues and the like). There are so many other outlets to display your work, and if you're not getting paid anyway and/or dealing with deadlines and ass-hats like Bluewater or whatever/whoever, just post your work here or on DA, or a million other sites. Hell, more people who matter will probably see your work on this or DA than they would on some pamphlet that sells 1,000 copies.(If it's good anyways) And you don't wake up the next day with your colon all stretched out....

-JR

Yeah, I thought that when I first started. Eventually, It just sounded silly. I blame Snakebite for getting the idea in my head in the first place. At some point I realized my ego wants everyone to know who I am. Plus there issues with branding. Names sell product in this business, and being anonymous is just shooting yourself in the foot. Effectively branding your name, plastering it everywhere, and hopefully a reputation to go with it, is just good business.

And yeah, you are more likely to get exposure standing on the side of the road jumping up and down shouting "look at me!", then a pamphlet the sells 1k, like you said. The only real reason to do it, would be to work with quality lineart for a large project, assuming the lineart is quality.

[Magpie]

Dave you were Red leader?! I totally did not remember that. I think I knew that at the time, but had forgotten.

Sijun is still alive. Doing better then Eatpoo even it seems.
I don't really hang out in forums so much though. Too busy to do so.
http://forums.sijun.com/

A number of boards sprung up as Sijun got bloated. Manley started Conceptart.org of course.

I've been living in a cave, and wasn't sure what Tsai was up to. Hard to miss, Sinj's Alien Hominid or Castle crashers though.

Besides the Marvel covers Francis freelances for video game studios. He's done a lot of stuff for High Moon and Bottle Rocket, and I'm sure a ton of others. He's gotten F'n great. I didn't know Dave was Red Leader, but I totally remember the tag. Wowzers.

If I remember correctly Liquid and Adi Granov were on Sijun as well.

-JR

[Laura]

I lurked on Sijun for a while. Now I occasionally lurk on ConceptArt. Never posted anything to my recollection. Always wanted to get into it, though.

-- Laura

[uli steppe]

Interesting read!
Any news on the TPB money yet? Did you get paid?



Wuff wuff

[robbdaman]

Almost no one who has done work with Bluewater has even been paid, they always state that the books never make enough money. How they stay in business is beyond me if that is the case. Sounds like a scam to me. I had a project with them a while back and heard so many bad things about them I said forget it.

[SeanE]

I got paid ONCE for bluewater as a result of this thread... never got the comp copy of the comic as promised... well, so far.

[Andrew Cramer]

Almost no one who has done work with Bluewater has even been paid, they always state that the books never make enough money. How they stay in business is beyond me if that is the case. Sounds like a scam to me. I had a project with them a while back and heard so many bad things about them I said forget it.

Yep.
It sickens me to see all the high profile people that are "associated" with BW now... I wonder how they would feel if they knew that people who actually create the books dont see a dime.

[Goran]

maybe the people should do togheter something against it. theire residence is in the us right?