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does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Goran » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:44 pm

i have seen several colorists who worked for bluewater but i dont know one who even get paid....so whats with you guys...do you worked for them..did the payed you in a fare rate?
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Chris Summers » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:59 pm

As far as I know, when I was asked to color some Bluewater stuff, it was always a backend deal. I never did do any so I don't know if the titles ever make enough for the art team to get anything.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby axl99 » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:15 pm

Their list of titles didn't interest me so I turned them down when they asked.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Rayall » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:17 pm

Some companies don't pay colorists until 30 days after completion of a project. I worked for a studio that claimed they weren't paid by Bluewater, but that studio rarely paid me for projects so I won't work for them anymore (I'd rather not say the name).

I did do lettering for Bluewater, but they told me it was a non-paid position. It was mainly for experience.

That was when Bluewater was with Alias though. So I don't know if they are paying people now.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby PoisonElf » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:20 pm

I drew 2 pin ups that were (to my knowledge) never printed like I was told they would be.
This was in 2005-2006.

Not really money relevant, but I think it's relevant to their credibility.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Zombie Dave McCaig » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:41 pm

But did they pay you?
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby PoisonElf » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:05 pm

Zombie Dave McCaig wrote:But did they pay you?

No, money wasn't even offered.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Zombie Dave McCaig » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:07 pm

You're all invited over to my place to clean, cook me dinner, and paint. I won't pay you, or tell anyone you're doing it, but it will be great experience.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Reber » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:08 pm

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Bluewater is like the 4th version of Tidal Wave Studios. Tidal Wave went bankrupt and I'm almost certain they didn't pay creators towards the end. There should be a couple guys on this board that would know. After it went bankrupt it was sold to Debbie Bishop's company and then Darren Davis worked for her on the same properties. I think it was a loophole not to have to pay out. I can't seem to find any of the press releases where the company went under or when it was sold. Like I said I could be wrong. The company definitely has a flakey history though.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby PoisonElf » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:15 pm

Zombie Dave McCaig wrote:You're all invited over to my place to clean, cook me dinner, and paint. I won't pay you, or tell anyone you're doing it, but it will be great experience.

Sweet.
Gotta start somewhere.

Edit: also, since you can't prove I was there...free stuff!
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Rayall » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:17 pm

Reber wrote:I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Bluewater is like the 4th version of Tidal Wave Studios. Tidal Wave went bankrupt and I'm almost certain they didn't pay creators towards the end. There should be a couple guys on this board that would know. After it went bankrupt it was sold to Debbie Bishop's company and then Darren Davis worked for her on the same properties. I think it was a loophole not to have to pay out. I can't seem to find any of the press releases where the company went under or when it was sold. Like I said I could be wrong. The company definitely has a flakey history though.


According to this article, Bluewater seems to be doing okay:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=16950

I googled them, but couldn't find info about if they paid artists. They didn't when they were published by Alias though.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Zombie Dave McCaig » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:17 pm

Gotta start somewhere.


You know, joking aside, apprenticeship is a lost art that I wish still existed. I'd he happy to take someone on like that if it benefited both of us.

Edit: also, since you can't prove I was there...free stuff!


I inherited a heavy oak rod named "Zeke" from my dad (he wrote the name in marker on it.) Zeke would know you were there. ;)
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby Rayall » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:18 pm

PoisonElf wrote:I drew 2 pin ups that were (to my knowledge) never printed like I was told they would be.
This was in 2005-2006.

Not really money relevant, but I think it's relevant to their credibility.


Was this when they were published by Alias? From what I heard, Alias didn't even pay the other creators anything.
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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby SeanE » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:23 pm

I did a 14 character poster for them in 2005 which was supposedly used at comic cons. Took me hours and hours and never saw a cent for it. But it did get me "exposure" and that other thing called "experience"... but I have no idea how much exposure as I never went to the con it was at and so have no idea if they even mentioned my name

*EDIT* - ahh found it... here it is.

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Re: does someone ever worked for bluewater and get paid?

Postby PoisonElf » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:24 pm

Rayall wrote:Was this when they were published by Alias? From what I heard, Alias didn't even pay the other creators anything.

I'm not exactly sure.
I delt directly with Darren Davis.
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