Not all Atheists should be saved - they can be useful.

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I like books that have more questions than answers. I like books that make you think and spark the conversation not try to end considering there really hasn't been any true answers considering god and the universe.

I really don't like books that say "here it is" so to speak.

If I sound like I ridicule its only cuz I don't buy the answers you're (the generic "you're" not directed at anyone") trying to sell.
most of life is a mystery and still unanswered.

as far as Ron Paul, sometimes I try to work within the paradigm in which I have to live. Ron Paul is not my boy or man, but in your world of needing officials to tell us how to live I just like what he says most of the time.

but you are incorrect if you think I have thought there is one way that is right and everything else is wrong. thats your paradigm, not mine. I just say no, you're not right either...and I often include myself in those equations.

when it comes to right and wrong about our place in this universe and our understanding of all things the fat lady has yet to sing.

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and maybe I fail to see the difference because you have failed to show me.

[Zombie Dave McCaig]

The precession of the stars in the sky is every 26,ooo years...so that too is a measurement using 13...but its curious that most if not all ancient beliefs focus on this time as significant....even the pyramids of Giza are arranged to reflect the position of the Orion Constellation 13 thousand years ago...another weird coincidence wouldn't you say?

Here I go being boring science guy:

Precession is the slow, continuous circular motion of the Earth's axis, the same as the slow turning of the axis of a spinning top. It completes one circuit every 26,000 years. Precession also means that the imaginary lines which define the equinoxes and solstices rotate around the plane of the Earth's orbit in the same period, rather like the moving spokes of a wheel. In 1998, the line of solstices passed across the plane of the galactic equator. This is nothing more than a momentary geometric curiosity of no physical consequence. This means that at every solstice, the Sun is close to the plane of the galactic equator, being at its closest in 1998, but moving farther away every year.
The 2012 cranks, in their desperation to 'prove' something unusual about 2012, have latched on to this sun-solstice-galactic equator 'alignment' on 21st December 2012, conveniently ignoring the fact that the alignment happens every year and becomes less and less precise every year. Then there is the fact that these 'alignments' mean absolutely nothing in real physical terms anyway.
Precession therefore doesn't 'start' or 'end' in 2012. It is a continuous process. Defining the 'end' of precession is rather like trying to point to the end of a circle.

[Marc Lewis]

When I left from work this thread was fun. What happened?

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yeah, my bad. I meant precession of the earth in relation to the stars. I believe the ancients knew of precession

but right, its not the end or the beginning, its a cycle. thats what I'm saying when I said the Mayans measure in cycles. they don't believe in end or beginning, they just measure cycles...and thats where I think this idea of the end of the world is a fabrication of people in control.

Rapture is from the latin word Rapio which means to catch up. So Rapture is saying its catching up with something...maybe a cycle???. I also believe that our relationships to the stars and the galactic core has direct effect on our psyches so as the world turns and tilts we change...but thats my personal take.

[John Rauch]

When I left from work this thread was fun. What happened?

Threads like this make me wonder why God invented science at all.

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hahahahahahahahaha! good one!

[Zombie Dave McCaig]

[monkeybutter]

Threads like this make me wonder why God invented science at all.

well played

[Marc Lewis]

When I left from work this thread was fun. What happened?

Threads like this make me wonder why God invented science at all.

[Fatboy73]

God did not create science,but the lack of science DID in fact create god

[Marc Lewis]

Just to be clear...I don't agree with what John said, but did feel it needed an approval for using the confundus charm or some shit like that.

[Winterbourne]

Rapture is from the latin word Rapio which means to catch up. So Rapture is saying its catching up with something...maybe a cycle???. I also believe that our relationships to the stars and the galactic core has direct effect on our psyches so as the world turns and tilts we change...but thats my personal take.

[pedant]Actually, "rapture" shares an origin with "raptor" (thief/robber), "rape," and "raptus". Rapture is a state of being "borne away" as by pleasure (similar to ecstasy), as is "raptus," which refers to an epileptic state.[/pedant]

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I was wrong, it means "caught up". I checked Wikipedia
and it reminded me why i thought catch up...when really its caught up. same difference
I guess. but in the context of Etymology, it doesn't mean what you say it does. but check it yourself
cuz I just remember bits and pieces like everyone else. lots of details to remember about
such things it hurts my head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

[monkeybutter]

1412-20: In this wyse were the bretheren twayne To heauen rapt, as thes poetes fayne.

man, people back when couldn't speak english for shit